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Ep 6. Multiple worlds, containing multitudes
In the final episode of this season, we hear from a NASA researcher whose expertise spans from studying samples in deep, untouched regions of our planet all the way to organic chemistry happening in space. We consider the possibility of other, past origins of life on Earth and look at the rich potential to learn from sample return missions, including the recent OSIRIS-REx mission that retrieved samples of the asteroid Bennu. Abha also sits down with Chris to hear his perspective on the podcast as a researcher who's collaborated with this season's guests on diverse research.
Guests: Heather Graham, Research Associate at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Hosts: Abha Eli Phoboo & Chris Kempes
Producer: Katherine Moncure
Podcast theme music by: Mitch Mignano
Additional sound credits: Digifish music; “Determination of Azimuth,” written by Heather Graham, staged at the Baltimore Rock Opera Society
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Apply for the 2024 Complexity Global School at Universidad de los Andes in Bogotá, Colombia: www.santafe.edu/info/2024-complexity-global-school/overview
SFI programs: Education
Complexity Explorer: Origins of Life: Introduction| Chris Kempes (Link to full playlist)
Enroll for the course: Origins of Life
Videos:
Asteroids, Agnostic Biosignatures, & Experimental Rock Opera with Dr. Heather Graham
Heather Graham on Katherine Johnson
Papers & Articles:
“Investigating the impact of x‐ray computed tomography imaging on soluble organic matter in the Murchison meteorite: Implications for Bennu sample analyses” in Meteoritics & Planetary Science (December 2023), doi.org/10.1111/maps.14111
“The Vacant Niche Revisited: Using Negative Results to Refine the Limits of Habitability,” in bioRxiv (Nov 8, 2023), doi.org/10.1101/2023.11.06.565904
“Observations of Elemental Composition of Enceladus Consistent with Generalized Models of Theoretical Ecosystems,” in bioRxiv (Oct 29, 2023), doi.org/10.1101/2023.10.29.564608
“Planetary Subsurface Science and Exploration: An Integrated Consortium to Understand Subsurface Sources of Energy and the Unique Energetics of Subsurface Life,” in Mars Extant Life: What’s Next? (Nov 2019), hou.usra.edu/meetings/lifeonmars2019/pdf/5047.pdf
“Detecting life on Earth and the limits of analogy,” in Planetary Astrobiology (June 16, 2020)
“Identifying molecules as biosignatures with assembly theory and mass spectrometry,” in chemRxiv (Nov 16, 202), chemrxiv.org/engage/api-gateway/chemrxiv/assets/orp/resource/item/60c751e59abda27c1af8dce4/original/identifying-molecules-as-biosignatures-with-assembly-theory-and-mass-spectrometry.pdf
“The Grayness of the Origin of Life,” in Life (May 29, 2021) doi.org/10.3390/life11060498
“Generalized stoichiometry and biogeochemistry for astrobiological applications,” in Bulletin of Mathematical Biology (July 2021), link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11538-021-00877-5
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Ep 5. How human history shapes scientific inquiry
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In this episode, we examine how the course of human history has shaped our scientific knowledge, why the physics community prioritizes some questions over others, and why progress in complex systems research is especially difficult. Academia continues to operate within set boundaries and students are taught certain concepts as fundamental and to skirt others completely. However, the history of ...
Ep 4. The physics of collectives
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Are there conditions that create a pathway to innovation and groundbreaking inventions? How do groups solve problems? In today’s episode, we look at the science of collectives to learn about the patterns that emerge as human societies grow, the importance of a collective structure to foster ideas and create impact, and - from collectives like ants and immune systems - the importance of veering ...
The Causes and Limits of Lifespan Extension - July 2022
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Ep 3. Why is life so diverse?
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Ep 3. Why is life so diverse?
Santa Fe Institute Emergent Political Economies 2024
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Santa Fe Institute Emergent Political Economies 2024
Ep 2. How do we identify life?
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Ep 2. How do we identify life?
Ep 1. What can physics tell us about ourselves?
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Ep 1. What can physics tell us about ourselves?
Complexity Podcast - Trailer
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Complexity Podcast - Trailer
Dimensions of Knowledge An Economic View with Ricardo Hausmann
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Dimensions of Knowledge An Economic View with Ricardo Hausmann
Writing Assistance or PlagAIrism How Language Models Are Changing Our View of Knowledge-Anna Rogers
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Writing Assistance or PlagAIrism How Language Models Are Changing Our View of Knowledge-Anna Rogers
Is Mathematics Obsolete with Jeremy Avigad
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Is Mathematics Obsolete with Jeremy Avigad
How to Know with Celeste Kidd
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How to Know with Celeste Kidd
Designing Diversity for Sustained Innovation with James Evans
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Designing Diversity for Sustained Innovation with James Evans
Yann LeCun: Towards Machines That Can Understand, Reason, & Plan
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Yann LeCun: Towards Machines That Can Understand, Reason, & Plan
David Chalmers: Understanding Understanding Through Conceptual Engineering
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David Chalmers: Understanding Understanding Through Conceptual Engineering
John Krakauer: What Understanding Adds to Cambrian Intelligence: A Taxonomy
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John Krakauer: What Understanding Adds to Cambrian Intelligence: A Taxonomy
Josh Tenenbaum: Scaling AI the Human Way: Building Machines That Understand the World
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Josh Tenenbaum: Scaling AI the Human Way: Building Machines That Understand the World
Liz Spelke: Human Intelligence: Insights from Infants
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Liz Spelke: Human Intelligence: Insights from Infants
Raphaël Millière: Dimensions of Meaning Understanding
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Raphaël Millière: Dimensions of Meaning Understanding
Rosa Cao: Do AI Systems Model Meaning And Understanding?
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Rosa Cao: Do AI Systems Model Meaning And Understanding?
Sonia Gipson Rankin: Decoding the Law: What Will LLMs Mean Under the Law?
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Sonia Gipson Rankin: Decoding the Law: What Will LLMs Mean Under the Law?
Tal Linzen: Language Models Could Learn Semantics, No Matter How You Define It
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Tal Linzen: Language Models Could Learn Semantics, No Matter How You Define It
Tom McCoy: Bridging the Divide Between Vectors and Symbols
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Tom McCoy: Bridging the Divide Between Vectors and Symbols
Zenna Tavares: Meaning Through Modeling
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Zenna Tavares: Meaning Through Modeling
Jacob Foster: Deconstructing the Barrier of Meaning
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Jacob Foster: Deconstructing the Barrier of Meaning
Melanie Mitchell: Introduction: AI and the Barrier of Meaning 2
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Melanie Mitchell: Introduction: AI and the Barrier of Meaning 2
Ida Momennejad: Cognitive Maps in Large Language Models
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Ida Momennejad: Cognitive Maps in Large Language Models
Blaise Aguera y Arcas
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Blaise Aguera y Arcas
Erica Cartmill: How Do We Know What an Animal Understands?
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Erica Cartmill: How Do We Know What an Animal Understands?

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  • @relawd8085
    @relawd8085 23 години тому

    this is one of the most important talks ever given

  • @relawd8085
    @relawd8085 День тому

    rest in peace.

  • @Zirrad1
    @Zirrad1 5 днів тому

    Thanks for posting this.

  • @pritamlaskar
    @pritamlaskar 9 днів тому

    Great clarifying talk! Just the kind of things I was wondering about.

  • @martinarnsdale8662
    @martinarnsdale8662 13 днів тому

    It’s too bad my tax dollars are being spent on this…

  • @luisr.comolli4828
    @luisr.comolli4828 17 днів тому

    Awesome.

  • @mikesmith2905
    @mikesmith2905 21 день тому

    The psychology underlying Soviet Socialism and Corporate Socialism is actually very consistent (and not a little worrying), we do have the Soviet experience to learn from and that may help us predict the issues within the corporate world. AI has one great advantage and that is its bandwidth, given the baud rate of the humans by the time you have collected, verified, categorised and digested the information (requiring vast numbers of humans to interact) and then conveyed the summary (all that a single human can handle) to the selected 'decision maker' the matter in question is history. An AI system with access to data has enormous bandwidth and could process the data producing a result in near real time. Only an idiot would put an AI system 'in charge', its role is more akin to the civil service, gathering data analysing the trends and offering a set of potential strategies with both their outcomes and consequences. The humans could then pick which ever one made them feel best about their own nagging insecurities (which is what drives a great deal of human decision making). Issues would arise with the elements you cannot meter and processes which are essentially chaotic. As an example the rewards for compassion occur long after the event and are influenced by the countless interactions that take place in the meantime. There is considerable evidence to suggest that the benefits of compassion to all members of a group are marked and worth seeking but there is no way to directly measure compassion and no way to predict the outcome in such a chaotic system.

  • @christopherc168
    @christopherc168 25 днів тому

    cat fail videos brought me here .

  • @valueengines2184
    @valueengines2184 Місяць тому

    So what does self evidencing mean?

  • @praveenmallar
    @praveenmallar 2 місяці тому

    Most exciting talk I ever heard. Thanks Nick Lane for it and the books you have written. And thanks SFI for making this public and free.

  • @theadventuresofdanandlori8273
    @theadventuresofdanandlori8273 3 місяці тому

    "I recommend the videos featuring Dr. Hector Zenil posted on UA-cam and his blog, for a more balanced view of the technical criticisms of Assembly Theory:

  • @SilenzioDiEsistenza
    @SilenzioDiEsistenza 4 місяці тому

    The question is not can you prevent science from doing harm (in the technical sense) Off course anything that does harm is conditional, and those conditions can be affected. That counts for making lethal compounds less lethal, or using alternative less violent farming methods, allowing for freedom of biodiversity within the human affected environment and beyond it. All these are obvious and in the public forum available. The real question is, can you prevent malicious intent or unintended consequences? Our biases, and the limits of our perceptions prevent us from making sure nothing bad will happen. Moreover scientists can affect public perception (or in the case of people like jordan peterson, misperception and misinformation with a phd to back it up) but in many ways they are powerless. The reason is, that the moment they move in the political sphere they have to compromise against their scientific responsibilities. That is : to not mix science and morality. To not move from what is, to what must be. So when scientists search methods to make sure citizens, politicians and the like follow their advice, they move out of the realm of science into politics, that is : affecting public opinion. Scientists have the responsibility to make clear this distinction. Science within it has not the imperative that one has to care about other beings, humans, animals, ecosystems... Nonetheless to have moral sensibilities (which often leaders lack, or loose in the game of cards and bluff and secretive violence) is essential to our humanity. To care for one another is part of who we are. Though it has s not a scientific imperative. It is no law of nature. Social science and moral sciences have their unique perspectives, but one cannot deduce from them how man must live, without sacrificing the art of being a scientist. In essence science has no relation to authority. It is fundamentally anarchist. And though great scientists existed in the past, we define not our reality based on their perceptions, but on how they help us questioning our current perceptions. Question the reality as it is, not as it was. In a sense all systems are systems of misinformation, as they imply that memory, that collecting patterns, repeated events is the path to knowing what is real. Yet what repetition is there but that of memory? Is the sun we see today the sun we see tomorrow? Is it even the same a moment from now? It is a matter of convenience, As without a little self deception, no knowledge can be gathered. There has to be some trust in repeatability. While being aware, that the deeper one goes into it, the less fundamental it appears, the more the contradictions between perception and experiment. So we dont really know what we say when we talk about protecting humans, climate, ecosystems. It is a matter of convenience we use such terms, and as human, as sentient being, i can say, it is valuable to do so. Because humans do not exist for sake of science, science exists for sake of humans, and one can never take the human element out of science. So i never idealize science. It can be used either way. Irrespective of safeguards. Those safeguards can be removed. People can choose to ignore the well meant advise, and even if scientists come with an army, they might meet a stronger army, led by scientist on the opposition. So first step is not do science, and then solve all problems. First is to nourish within people the sensibilities towards all living beings. Then whether they are educated in science or no t will not matter as much. It is kinda crazy, how sometimes scientists have impossible expectations from less educated people, as if they can replace 4 to 8 years of education with a blog post, a youtube video or a collection of data. Those people are not stupid. They just went a different path, often capable of things scientists can only dream of. And even if they have the education. It is pretty common amongst our greatest heroes, that they had strange beliefs, and convictions, which we would consider misinformation now. Brilliant scientists can make mistakes, yet we expect any dick or joe or amy to understand the intricacies of the scientific method, and the philosophy that questions and develops it even to this day, as we are neither all knowing, nor all capable even in the foundation of our sciences...

  • @SteveEvil-gu4pz
    @SteveEvil-gu4pz 4 місяці тому

    Mr. Interviewer, allow me to ask you the following: For what reason or reasons do you surrender to your dearth of self-confidence, manifesting, in veritas, invariably, inviolate toward ostentatious overwhelming onslaught of oratory overload in order to reassure your subject and/or your audience, but (with dauntless sincerity DO glance at your inner-mirror to realize) in reality it is, in fact yourself for whom you wish to recognize with silent cheers to fill the ears below the invisible laurel wreaths auto-bestowed by being big-mouthed, babbling and blathering blithely before bequeathing the electronic recording wand (known colloquially as “microphone”) to the seemingly sequestered subject to respond when, just before, you posed a frustratingly ugly, ceaselessly kicking, yard of useless taxiing over half-insulting masticated and near impenetrable spew you call a “question” - or twelve - to an emotionally indignant, obviously unamused Mr. Tymoczko, leaving him with little time, even less excitement to ANSWER your anti-pulchritudinous inquisitions ostensibly with the aim of eliciting wisdom’s grandchild, INNOVATION, mined from the aforementioned Mr. Tymoczko’s thoughts and theories of geometric musical mathematics.. of embracing new technology.. OF WHICH I AM INTRIGUED, THUS CLICKED ON THIS VIDEO TO HEAR YOUR GUEST SPEAK ON THE VIDEO’S TITLE: “Dmitri Tymoczko on The Shape of Music: Mathematical Order in Western Tonality”, but resulted in hearing instead YOUR audibly odoriferous emanations insufferably ululating for interminable temporal suspension in place of a simple rubric: let the expert in his own field speak to what he knows???

    • @SteveEvil-gu4pz
      @SteveEvil-gu4pz 4 місяці тому

      Sorry! That’s all the time we have for today. Appreciate your answer. Hope you didn’t need to expand upon any themes, Mr. Garfield.

    • @SteveEvil-gu4pz
      @SteveEvil-gu4pz 4 місяці тому

      Seriously though, advice from a cranky old man to a young interviewer: Questions = keep them under fifteen seconds, fight mission creep; stay focused. Imagine a chain, you want to ask about rabbits but also want to touch on seaweed. Well, instead of cramming both things into the same question, figure out how to build a tiny, singular link that takes you from bunnies to barnacles. Be prepared to improvise, as guests will be guests. Finally, REMEMBER THIS: you ain’t important and neither am i. Not to academia nor the internet. So, take the pressure off of yourself and stop giving a damn what your colleagues are whispering between sips of artisanal beer or potato vodka martinis. If you pay attention, at least twice during this interview, Mr. Tymoczko subtly tries to tell you to calm the eff down. You are a cowboy upon the bucking beast of other profesional academics who have managed to shine bright enough and slip the knife-tips of their fellows in order to rise, not one scratch upon their throats, to a level upon which other care to hear their opinions. Just ride easy, let THEM do the talking. They are the show the people came to see/hear. I didn’t click this link to hear about a Mr. Garfield and his previous interviews. Double-edged sword: Yes, am grateful this was free for me. Yes, i subscribed. BUT.. Would’ve been better if ya coulda gotten outta yer own way, pal. Learn from this. Best of luck.

  • @bscott2hot
    @bscott2hot 5 місяців тому

    Great talk!

  • @noitall5707
    @noitall5707 5 місяців тому

    Very clear informative presentation. A great primer.

  • @SystemsMedicine
    @SystemsMedicine 5 місяців тому

    No one is actually ‘mad’ when you “say a screwdriver is life”; rather, you just undermine your credibility.

  • @Achrononmaster
    @Achrononmaster 5 місяців тому

    @47:00 "... in physics time does not exist... it's an emergent property..." That's such rubbish. What physicists are these folks? My guess is they're appealing to cosmological holography or gauge/gravity duality etc.? But none of the older or modern theories say "time is emergent". Some non-standard theories claim "space is emergent" (from entanglement structure) but *_none_* of them say time is emergent. Maybe Lee Smolin has infected their thinking with some sort of weird philosophy? Bottom line is: If you have lightcones and light rays, then you have a time dimension. What these weirdos might refer to is "no *_flow_* of time." But that's a totally different story. And mostly semantics: what do you _mean_ by a "flow" of time? You obviously do not know what you mean. Time does not flow. Perception of time seems like a flow, but that's perception, not fundamental physics. The perception is because we all learn to view and describe actual flows (of mass, energy, etc.) by clock measurements, which record time. The clock hands "move" or "flow" but time does not, time is just the coordinate. Coordinates never "flow" they just act as records.

  • @user-sx9lb1uv5m
    @user-sx9lb1uv5m 5 місяців тому

    Thank you.

  • @paketisa4330
    @paketisa4330 5 місяців тому

    She is amazing!

  • @wespinoza7563
    @wespinoza7563 5 місяців тому

    A conman who falsified their data. This pseudo scientist got 350K per year to conduct "research" in Canada. McMaster put him in paid leave while the investigation lasted 2 years until finally he resigned. Way to go McMaster, 400K in salary down the drain. White privilege at its finest. I bet McMaster would not do that to a BIPOC.

  • @dorothysatterfield3699
    @dorothysatterfield3699 5 місяців тому

    I'm so glad I found this video! I witnessed the synchronous firefly phenomenon while I was walking my little beagle, Link of blessed memory, late at night, maybe 6 or 7 years ago. A huge old oak tree around the corner from my house looked like it was covered in the flashing lights of a Christmas tree, which of course it wasn't (it was nowhere near Christmas and, anyway, the tree was far too enormous for anyone to decorate it in such a way). Link didn't seem to be all that impressed, but I stood transfixed. This was in Wilmington, Delaware. At last, I have an explanation. Thank you!

  • @rosskirkwood8411
    @rosskirkwood8411 5 місяців тому

    We Zombies can’t thank you enough. Brains!

  • @RandomNooby
    @RandomNooby 5 місяців тому

    A very good and informative video. A few issues though with over simplification; plant cells, just like animals cells have cognition, they solve problems in anatomical, and chemical space. This cognition is scalable and larger groups of cells have a higher computational and problem solving ability and are goal driven. This scales all the way up to the macroscopic level, with root systems, and plant morphology being agential and solving basic problems, such as reproduction via external agents, and seeking resources, etc. There is an awful lot of fact based peer reviewed data on this.

  • @gotnolove923
    @gotnolove923 5 місяців тому

    Yaaassss!

  • @ernestb.2377
    @ernestb.2377 5 місяців тому

    As an electronics engineer, I am wandering what synchronization does with objects getting synchronized regarding the amplitude? We see the phase is getting sync, but does it do something with the amplitude? From electronics amplifier design, a positive feedback is an unwanted effect, and most amplifiers have a negative feedback to get them very stable at fixed gain. If we want to make a oscillator we apply a positive feedback.

  • @anishupadhayay3917
    @anishupadhayay3917 5 місяців тому

    Brilliant

  • @CaravanseraiSouthValley
    @CaravanseraiSouthValley 5 місяців тому

    I need to digest this again. As a 13-year educator who has embraced complexity theories and methods his entire career, I am having trouble finding utility in the information shared. This is not a critique. Rather, it is a testament to the complexity of the endeavor. (I’m clearly using these comments as a workspace. Sometimes, you don’t have a pad and pen!)

    • @CaravanseraiSouthValley
      @CaravanseraiSouthValley 5 місяців тому

      Okay. I’m with this until the “channel switch” to the Wright Brothers. Hmm…

    • @CaravanseraiSouthValley
      @CaravanseraiSouthValley 5 місяців тому

      At ~18:00, for about a minute, I’m understanding again. But diving back into the (perceived) minutiae of gesturing threw me immensely. I understand this is an exploration of pedagogies and methods, but gesturing itself isn’t culturally universal.

    • @CaravanseraiSouthValley
      @CaravanseraiSouthValley 5 місяців тому

      Then again, at around 22:00, the inclusion of symbolic representation being rooted in grounded phenomena worked.

    • @CaravanseraiSouthValley
      @CaravanseraiSouthValley 5 місяців тому

      Okay. Upon 2nd viewing…. The Wright Brothers part DID distract and detract from what I thought was the point. My mind kept trying to square that part with the title, the expressed intention of the talk, and my own experience in the classroom. It distracted/and detracted from the “scale down” concept, which I wanted to hear much more about.

  • @chanpol321
    @chanpol321 6 місяців тому

    love its! robotic

  • @dukeysnider
    @dukeysnider 6 місяців тому

    I have a questions: Does light/protons move faster as it approaches a black hole? And as it passes a black hole, does the gravity of the black hole, slow it down?

  • @Achrononmaster
    @Achrononmaster 6 місяців тому

    You are skewing the meaning of "intelligence". Is there any subjective awareness in any of those cellular or inset colony systems? Probably not. More to the point, how would you even know? If nothing else, an intelligence should be defined (imho) as capable of communicating to you that it has subjective awareness, and then reciprocate to acknowledge you have too, two-way. I appreciate this is semantics, but why would scientists use the word in such a non-standard sense? Because they want their discipline to be _the one and only one_ that understands "intelligence? Well then, you will be biased to define it so your discipline has the rights to claim scientific understanding! It is grand standing.

  • @mikesmith2905
    @mikesmith2905 6 місяців тому

    Another thought provoking talk. Thanks for this.

  • @mikesmith2905
    @mikesmith2905 6 місяців тому

    Another fascinating talk, thank you for making it so widely available.

  • @SonaliSenguptasengupso41
    @SonaliSenguptasengupso41 7 місяців тому

    Brilliant.

  • @BradDunn
    @BradDunn 7 місяців тому

    These lectures are so good.

  • @maggies7236
    @maggies7236 7 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for this.

  • @HeronMarkBlade
    @HeronMarkBlade 7 місяців тому

    fantastic

  • @cremasca
    @cremasca 7 місяців тому

    ❤👍❤️

  • @gregederer6945
    @gregederer6945 7 місяців тому

    Fascinating and tantalizing talk. In connection with the question as to whether ancient peoples knew that the brain was the seat of human experience, it is interesting to note that Aristotle thought that the brain was an organ for cooling blood. So, probably not. Looking forward to the next lecture.

  • @CharwakApte
    @CharwakApte 7 місяців тому

    Phenomenal lecture, thanks for putting this together and sharing

  • @danielvarga_p
    @danielvarga_p 7 місяців тому

    Thank you very much to share this really nice presentation!

  • @hdd_1230
    @hdd_1230 7 місяців тому

    Very interesting lecture with a very good presenter. This is the kind of lecture physics students aim to learn from, the organization, details, and laymen language explanation (increase exposure). Do you really need to know what a vector space is? And math people will give you 'useless' definitions like vector spaces are the span of vectors.

  • @montedyoung3247
    @montedyoung3247 7 місяців тому

    With AI, will it help further thinking there?

  • @berg0002
    @berg0002 7 місяців тому

    Combinatorial sensing and its random nature “smells” like quantum theory. Not that it is quantum, but the principles of probability, encoding and parallel processing look similar.

  • @berg0002
    @berg0002 7 місяців тому

    Vijay Balasubramanian is as brilliant and beautiful as his name.. Great presentation, I love the energy and skills to teach this stuff.

  • @emiliapereira9970
    @emiliapereira9970 7 місяців тому

    Hello. I would like to present a hypothesis to Sara Walker. Is it possible to send an email to Sara Walker? I thank

  • @MS-od7je
    @MS-od7je 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for this post

  • @CopperKettle
    @CopperKettle 8 місяців тому

    Thank you

  • @appidydafoo
    @appidydafoo 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for making this available, a lot to study here

  • @markcollins1577
    @markcollins1577 8 місяців тому

    David is a visionary. I appreciate his ability to present and explain complexity in its many forms. His subtle 'word art' has no peer. I will not be surprised at all to see THE theory of complexity emerge from the Santa Fe Institute.

  • @lunchguy659
    @lunchguy659 8 місяців тому

    Awesome. Thanks for posting this lecture.